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Corraidhin Farsaidh
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Posted - 2014.11.23 12:55:48 -
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How about giant black holes randomly appearing around null formed from dark bank matter that suck isk directly from peoples wallets when they reach the recession eveny horizon? |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
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Posted - 2014.11.24 20:43:19 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:afkalt wrote:Maybe newbros shouldn't be looking at battleships then? When you come to eve you want to fly bigger and bigger ships. I still remember my first cruiser, battlecruiser ....
Actually I've only ever wanted to fly a ship that's 'fit for purpose' in my current activities and have yet to fly a BS even though I can.
Back on post I don't see any rampant inflation so far if you set aside plex. Last major price jump I noticed was on AFs and pirate frigs when burnermissions were introduced and that was simply supply and demand in action. No issues for me here at all so -1.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
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Posted - 2014.11.25 00:15:37 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:afkalt wrote:Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:PVP isn't an ISK sink. No money leaves the system when a ship is blown up. Destroyed modules need repurchased. Module repairs need effected. Ammunition is expended. Drones are lost. Modules, ammunition, and drones are all either found via loot. -- no ISK generated or lost to the system, or are manufactered -- slight sink for manufacturing fees. There are also fees for market transactions. Once again, this is not PVP. This is Industry and trade. The PVP pilot, if she just buys all the stuff, only pays a sink in trade fees. If she's using the stuff she found via looting the enemy, then she's contributed no ISK loss or gain to circulation. Her personal finances may go up and down, but the ISK in the system remained constant. PVP can lead to more industry and trade, and these lead to ISK sinks in manufacturing and trade fees. So while PVP doesn't actually generate or produce ISK into circulation, it can be a catalyst for other activities to do so. I can't really think of any fair way of taxing the PVPer specifically, let alone even want to try. Actually... scratch that. I guess war decs would count as a PVP-centric sink. --Gadget
Just a quick note that industry and trade are equally PvP as you are directly competing with other players, you may not be shooting them but can cost them isk just as effectively... |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
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Posted - 2014.11.25 10:17:45 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/110224-tritanium-price-history/
Here's one example. Trit at 3.4 ISK in Spring of 2008, then a dip to 2.8 for a small period, but then a steady rise to 4.2 buy Spring of 2009. Currently it's at around 5.7 ISK.
This is the most basic building block, so it's an indicator of some inflation. Better yet are the posters' responses to the change. The dip was a noted anomaly even then, but after the dip the price steadily rose to what we have now. The game only stores up to a year, so I have to scour the internet for older screenshots.
I know that one instance doesn't make the rule, but I'll keep looking for older prices and for other minerals and edit them in this post.
If any have any screenshots of older mineral market graphs, please post them.
--Gadget
Rising by that amount in 6 years is really not an excessive amount of inflation, every functioning market always has some level of inflation. one common belief (how true it is I'm not sure ) is that the actual value of the money you have halves every 10 years or so, which would put the trit inflation you quoted pretty much on normal market timescales.
To work out inflation you'd need to do it the same way our governments do with a 'typical shopping basket' list of items to act as a standard checkpoint. PLEX could *never* be considered a normal item in such a calculation and would therfore be completely excluded. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
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Posted - 2014.11.25 11:02:59 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote: Ppl luvs to gamble 
And remember folks...the house *always* wins... |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
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Posted - 2014.11.25 12:05:36 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Reaver,
PLEX is a wierd animal. It gets hoarded and manipulated by players far too often for it to be a good indicator of inflation. If the price of PLEX has steadily risen, and the price of basic comodities hasn't, then it's the PLEX that's being screwed with.
Measure inflation by the price of a loaf of bread, or cup of rice, not the price of a luxury car.
--Gadget Well then I challenge anyone to find anything on the market that hasn't gone up in price over a 2 year+ interval at any point in the game's history. For every one you find, I'll give you a hundred that have.
But it doesn't matter if everything has gone up in price as long as it is in line with a level of inflation suitable for a healthy economy, it's only when inflation goes out of control that there is a problem and there is now evidence of it being out of control (ignoring plex which doesn't apply). |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
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Posted - 2014.11.25 12:59:45 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:But it doesn't matter if everything has gone up in price as long as it is in line with a level of inflation suitable for a healthy economy, it's only when inflation goes out of control that there is a problem and there is now evidence of it being out of control (ignoring plex which doesn't apply). We were responding to someone who asked for proof of inflation. I'm not saying the inflation is bad, I'm saying there definitely is inflation.
True enough and an important point, there is definitely inflation over time. The issue would be whether it is healthy or out of control. Right now my opinion would be that it's fine at the moment. I would imagine that CCP keep a very close eye on this kind of thing so not to really tic everyone off with prices rising too fast |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:23:54 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
True enough and an important point, there is definitely inflation over time. The issue would be whether it is healthy or out of control. Right now my opinion would be that it's fine at the moment. I would imagine that CCP keep a very close eye on this kind of thing so not to really tic everyone off with prices rising too fast
Except.... There isn't. EVE has periods of deflation also. Inflation also is not a requirement for a healthy market. That's a myth propagated by big business. Price changes can all be traced to direct game changes. Starting with the removal of the NPC sold shuttles which capped Trit prices for example. And up to the most recent massive increases in minerals for things and decrease in mineral production from the refining changes. Even Plex prices can be traced to increased demand leading to increased speculation over them. This entire thread is a solution looking for a problem that doesn't exist.
I'd say there is always inflation depending on the timescale you take :D Completely agree that there is no issue though. |
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